r/worldnews Oct 01 '24

Israel/Palestine Biden directs US military to help Israel shoot down Iranian missiles, officials say

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069
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u/Speedy059 Oct 01 '24

If these missiles hit Israel, it is an act of war. Absolutely no modern country in the 21st century would allow this to happen on their soil and not do something about it. This is escalated.

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u/brandon0529 Oct 01 '24

The missiles are hitting Israel

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u/alfonseski Oct 01 '24

They hit Jordan also, by mistake of course.

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u/WigglumsBarnaby Oct 01 '24

Oh that little guy? You don't need to worry about that little guy.

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u/BrockN Oct 02 '24

Wasn't Bosnia a little guy before some big ass war broke out? Ah, couldn't have been...

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u/Cuppieecakes Oct 02 '24

will he take it personally?

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u/loplopplop Oct 01 '24

JorFRAUD is your GOAT? KING James has never had bombs hit him.

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u/QuarterFlounder Oct 01 '24

Some missiles always hit Israel, because the iron dome allows them to. Not all missiles require intercepting. Keeps the cost down.

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u/Opening-Set-5397 Oct 01 '24

The iron dome doesn’t take out ballistic missiles.  Thats the arrow or David’s sling system.  

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u/CBT7commander Oct 01 '24

Most of those were ballistic missiles that are not the targets of the Iron dôme, which focuses on short range.

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u/ronoudgenoeg Oct 01 '24

True, Iron Dome however is used in such attacks as well, primarily to further break down the intercepted missiles into smaller pieces.

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u/shoeman22 Oct 01 '24

It's still an act of war -- just because Israel plays great defense doesn't mean it's not a major act of aggression from Iran.

I'll never really understand why the Iron dome makes it "ok" for Israel to be attacked. At some point you need to stop that shit from happening to begin with.

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u/ComradeGibbon Oct 01 '24

It's not the Iron dome that makes it okay for Israel to be attacked. It's antisemitism that makes it okay.

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u/1ncognito Oct 01 '24

Or maybe it’s their genocidal actions over the last year and the ethnic cleansing they’ve been doing for decades? You act like Muslims dislike Jewish people because they’re Jewish and not because the “Jewish homeland” that constantly claims to speak on behalf of all Jews is and has for some time been engaged is horrific violence against Muslims.

I’m an American and an Atheist, I don’t have a dog in this fight either nationally nor religiously, but it seems pretty fucking clear to me that Israel deserves a major portion of the blame for the ongoing problems in the Middle East. Want to get rid of terrorism against Israel? Stop killing your neighbors and turning their children into future terrorist recruits. 10/7 doesn’t happen if Israel hadn’t spent the last 20 years actively oppressing and killing Palestinians

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u/Wesley133777 Oct 01 '24

Tell me, how are the Jews in Palestine before Israel? How are the Jews in the rest of the Middle East?

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u/The_Phaedron Oct 01 '24

He's going to pretend that Jews don't exist as an ethnic group, and that Jews were a religious group that lived in harmony in Ottoman Syria and in the surrounding region.

I mean, back when Jews in the middle east knew their place as a subjugated people, they almost never got massacred by their Arab neighbours!

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u/ComradeGibbon Oct 02 '24

I remember a middle eastern Jewish man talking about what it was like. If you minded you own business and kept walking when someone spat on you you'd usually not have any trouble.

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u/Appropriate_Ad_848 Oct 01 '24

You know Islam punishes atheism with execution, yes?

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u/fleeflicker Oct 01 '24

You know history goes back further than when you’re born, right?

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u/frozen_tuna Oct 02 '24

What about the rest of the middle east? Why is exclusively the very small strip of land that belongs to Jews that is supposed to be Palestine?

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u/dactyif Oct 01 '24

Stupid as it may sound its face saving and brinkmanship.

This is all for show, remember the last missile wave? Everyone knew it was coming, shot down, back to propaganda. Israel did that thing in Lebanon and it can't go unanswered but they know they don't actually want a war so, more flashy missiles fired at well protected bases.

It's stupid like I said.

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u/zveroshka Oct 01 '24

I'll never really understand why the Iron dome makes it "ok" for Israel to be attacked. At some point you need to stop that shit from happening to begin with.

It doesn't. Israel doesn't just accept these types of attacks, they always respond, and it's almost always far more damaging. Which is what I would expect here too.

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u/justaguyulove Oct 01 '24

They could've done it by not bombarding foreign suburbs.

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u/aesirmazer Oct 01 '24

Just let the terrorists in to kill your people and you don't even need guns. Your body may be 6 feet under but you still have the moral high ground.

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u/justaguyulove Oct 01 '24

Israel has the full backing of the most powerful military in the world. If they wanted to take out the leaders without civilian casualties, they could have.

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u/WigglumsBarnaby Oct 01 '24

Damn does the full backing of the most powerful military make them wizards?

War isn't like the movies.

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u/justaguyulove Oct 01 '24

No, but it gives them better capabilities than having to destroy whole neighborhoods or cities. Why are you making Israel out to be this small bean underdog?

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u/PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS Oct 01 '24

lol come on man. There are shitloads of civilian casualties and cities destroyed when America goes to war.

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u/justaguyulove Oct 01 '24

Exactly. I am not defending the US *or* Israel. I'm saying that with the power -both diplomatic and military- that they posess, they could prevent that from happening. If you think I'm pro-American-Military-Industrial-Complex, you are wrong.

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u/ludi_literarum Oct 01 '24

There is literally no theoretical reason to suspect that they could do better, and no empirical evidence it can be done better.

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u/WigglumsBarnaby Oct 01 '24

Israel is a smol bean. They invest in their military, intelligence, and defense because they are a smol bean with very aggressive neighbors, and they want to protect their citizens. Go look at the map. Look at all the Muslim countries that hate Israel, then look how fucking small Israel is. Compare the populations. Israel is a speck in a sea of hate.

It's David and Goliath and Israel is David. Spoiler: David wins.

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u/justaguyulove Oct 01 '24

Ah yes. Famously David had the stronger military capabilities and allies. I hope some day you will look back at these comments and notice how islamophobia since 9/11 has seeped into our everyday understanding or misunderstanding of the world.

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u/WigglumsBarnaby Oct 01 '24

David did actually use technology and intelligence to beat Goliath, who tried to use brute force, so it's fairly apt.

You're so obsessed with appearing non-islamophobic that you can't see the forest for the trees . Plenty of Muslims and ex-muslims see these terror groups for what they are. Calling islamists Muslims and labeling it islamophobia is a huge disservice to Muslims.

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u/The_Phaedron Oct 01 '24

Shall we look at your comment history when Israel took an incredibly targeted approach, rather than responsing to conventional warfare with conventional warfare?

The pagers two weeks ago provide a great litmus test to separate those with humanitarian concerns from antisemites for whom anything Israel does can only be evil.

...oh look, you're upset about the pagers. Imagine my surprise.

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u/Consistent_Tale_8371 Oct 01 '24

Ah yes, the US infamous for avoiding civilian casualties lol

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u/justaguyulove Oct 01 '24

Of course not. I'm not defending either Israel or the US. I'm saying that with those capabilities, both countries could avoid civilian murder.

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u/goodbye-to-a-shoe Oct 01 '24

What everyone is pointing out to you is that the US not having a history of engaging in conflicts without any civilian casualties is indicative of the fact that such a thing is not in their capability. Which isn’t surprising, since it would be a completely unprecedented event in the history of warfare. And since the US is unable to do so, having the US as an ally does not bequeath upon Israel this magical power of having no civilian casualties in war. It has nothing to do with whether you personally support the US military-industrial complex.

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u/Hatch778 Oct 01 '24

When your enemies purposely use civilians as shields it makes civilian casualties an inevitability. First of all one of the reasons Israel and the US are so powerful militarily is because of their Air support and missiles and drones and bombs. If you refuse any military action that will result in civilian casualties and your enemy always surrounds themselves with civilians then your air force is useless. Now you have to rely on your ground troops, who are at a natural disadvantage trying to fight terrorist who are not in any uniforms and have home field advantage. Has there ever been a war where civilian casualties did not happen?

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u/CapGlass3857 Oct 02 '24

Yeah and they did with the pagers yet you still complained about it

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u/Hatch778 Oct 01 '24

Hezbollah firing missiles and Hamas firing missiles I agree with you, but Iran did promise a response for Israel blowing up Haniyeh inside on the Iranian State guesthouses though. Israel has also killed a few other Iranian officials and scientists. It has been reported there is 0 casualties or injuries and Iran already stopped firing and said they were done. I mean much like when we blew up that top Iranian general we knew Iran was gonna respond somehow. Yet again a weak response to show their proxies that they are strong and doing something.

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u/neuhmz Oct 01 '24

Multiple videos of missile impact within the city.

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u/Watabeast07 Oct 01 '24

Brother this war is already happening?! Isreal already got hit and now we just wait what type of war this will end up being…

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u/Speedy059 Oct 01 '24

It's the type of war where Iranian regime gets to test their belief that 72 virgins are waiting for them in the next life.

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u/brandon0529 Oct 01 '24

I think you're right. This is going to result in a regime change

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u/midtrailertrash Oct 01 '24

Iran will probably learn very soon why Americans don’t have free healthcare.

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u/Betaparticlemale Oct 01 '24

Are you serious?

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u/sexsexmyearhole Oct 01 '24

And the ground invasion of Lebanon is just a tickle fight

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u/AdVivid8910 Oct 01 '24

They sent a few hundred dudes in, you’re somewhat accurate with that. (So far anyway)

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u/H_shrimp Oct 01 '24

And Israel assassinating Iranian officials was not an act of war? Why are we pretending that Iran is the only one that is escalating this situation.

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u/Damagedyouthhh Oct 01 '24

Iranian officials who were involved in Hezbollah and Hamas operations. You do realize if Iran didn’t fund and build proxy enemies to fight Israel with then there would be no war between Israel and Iran? They share zero borders and have zero issues beyond a hatred for Jews living in the Ayatollah’s Holy Land. If the Iranian government collapsed tomorrow there would be more people in Iran happy about it than people in Israel. If the Iranian Regime collapsed there would be no regional war in the Middle East. The issue would just be between Israel and Palestine as it should be. Do you really think Israel stands to gain by starting regional war with all of its neighbors? Strategically speaking they benefit most from peace, but I don’t think you realize how escalation works. When you are attacked as brutally as Israel is attacked, ‘deescalating,’ is called appeasement, and it only empowers your enemies.

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u/Ctofaname Oct 02 '24

You realize the US funds proxy wars also destabilizing regions doing the exact same thing. Just with our Cia funded fighters instead. If the Iranian regime collapsed the power vacuum in the region would be massive.

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u/Speedy059 Oct 01 '24

Why were they assassinated?

Let me know how your research goes.

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u/H_shrimp Oct 01 '24

I'm afraid your highschool bully logic of "well I hit him cause he deserved it" is not going to be sufficient to justify Israel's role in destabilizing a tense geopolitical situation.

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u/Speedy059 Oct 01 '24

You think wanting to kill every single Israeli is "highschool bully logic"? What in the hell is wrong with you man?

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u/H_shrimp Oct 01 '24

If you genuinely can not distinguish between empty threats made as a form saber-rattling and actual physical harm inflicted by a foreign nation, then you have no business commenting on such affairs.

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u/KingGiroux Oct 01 '24

Nothing about those threats are empty.

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u/Delta3Angle Oct 01 '24

Imho, legitimate death threats open you up to preemptive retaliation.

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u/AdVivid8910 Oct 01 '24

It’s true for US self defense laws at the least

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u/KountZero Oct 01 '24

The US and Iran have been attacking each other directly and publicly for years now. Nothing else is going to change.

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u/Damagedyouthhh Oct 01 '24

Jewish people have lived in the land for centuries, and nobody would take in Holocaust refugees post WWII. So you believe Jewish people have no right to self determination in their own country? Arabs and Jews have equal rights to states in the Middle East, how many states do Arabs have? Jews cannot have even one state? You act as though the West made all these Jews want to live there. You know why they’re surrounded by enemies? Muslims hate Jews living in their Holy Land, its pretty simple.

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u/coloradobuffalos Oct 01 '24

What do you think happens after war. The ottoman empire which controlled that region didn't exist anymore.

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u/Interrophish Oct 01 '24

it wasn't created by the west: no western governments helped during the '48 war

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u/Delta3Angle Oct 01 '24

israel can't fight the whole muslim world at the same time

Tbh they can. You're also assuming the rest of the Islamic world is ready to die to protect Iran... very much not the case...

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u/Delta3Angle Oct 01 '24

Saudi Arabia is not willing to die for Iran

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u/Ctofaname Oct 02 '24

Because it's a continuation of colonialism. Going to be difficult to not get angry responses back and forth though.

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u/NinjaMonkey22 Oct 01 '24

This sounds about as destructive as in April when Iran launched over 300 missles at Israel. Their response was rather muted. So it seems like they and have let this happen on their soil already.

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u/JustTheOneGoose22 Oct 01 '24

Lol no. This isn't the first time Iran or their allies have launched missiles at Israel. Have you been living under a rock? Israel is bombarded by missiles all the time it's why the Iron Dome exists.

Iran directly attacked Israel with missiles and drones this year back in April.

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u/DarthGuber Oct 01 '24

Yes, how dare they defend themselves against a missile attack!

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u/highgravityday2121 Oct 01 '24

Israel has a lot of defense technology capabilities and they work well with our DOD contractors to develop more weapons. Id say from that alone they're important allies.

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u/UniqueForbidden Oct 01 '24

Them having one of the lowest civilian casualty rates in all of full scale urban warfare is out of line? Them responding to the worst terrorist attack in the world's history accounting for population is out of line? Tell me, what is actually out of line besides the fact the world holds Israel to the most unrealistic standards anyone has ever seen. Go ahead.

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u/chaal_baaz Oct 01 '24

one of the lowest civilian casualty rates in all of full scale urban warfare

That is just straight up not true lol

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u/UniqueForbidden Oct 01 '24

It quite literally is. Please provide any source, at all, that disproves it. Israel has maintained through this entire conflict a civilian to militant ratio of two civilians per every militant killed. The expected urban warfare toll would be nine civilians for every militant. This is a fact. Your misunderstanding of warfare isn't my problem, you don't get to "nuh uh" things you don't understand. There are numerous articles that even discuss the fact that Israel has created a new standard of protecting civilians in urban warfare. Keep in mind, this is occurring in the most densely populated area a war has occurred while Hamas hides in the most trafficked areas of Gaza.

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u/chaal_baaz Oct 01 '24

Lmao they are starving them, blocking aid, destroying infrastructure in an unprecedented manner. They haven't allowed a single humanitarian corridor in the year since the bombing began, let alone take in any civilians across the border.

There is no point in talking numbers, since Israel isn't about to allow any independent investigations but even the un estimates put 67% of the death as women and children. The only way you make sense is if every adult man is hamas which I am sure you might make perfect sense to you but the rest of us have a little more brains

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u/UniqueForbidden Oct 01 '24

"Lmao they are starving them, blocking aid, destroying infrastructure in an unprecedented manner."

Holy fuck, it's almost like it's a god damn war? Who would have guessed that Israel would use one of the most common tactics in warfare both in urban warfare and traditional warfare. Do you realize the allies bombed entire cities far, far more spread out than Gaza with less of a population? Your misunderstanding of warfare isn't an argument. Try again.

"They haven't allowed a single humanitarian corridor in the year since the bombing began, let alone take in any civilians across the border."

Humanitarian corridors have been done, there was even one attacked by Hamas that you're currently spouting talking points of. Oops. Why would they take in civilians across the border? Have you seen the history of what Palestinians have done in every country to take them in? For fucks sake, why aren't you calling for their surrounding neighbors to take them in, why is that Israel's responsibility? Use your head. You clearly lack common sense.

"There is no point in talking numbers, since Israel isn't about to allow any independent investigations but even the un estimates put 67% of the death as women and children."

Ah yes, the UN which has been harboring terrorists and even called that the ones that are known about should be immune from scrutiny. Lovely talking points. Gaza's own numbers put the women and children at 54%. Also worth noting this is the first conflict in Israel's history that their numbers haven't matched their opposition, including prior conflicts in Gaza. Why? Because the Gaza Health Ministry now takes numbers from "trusted officials" rather than only medical professions like they did previously. Those trusted officials = Hamas. No matter who's numbers you use, Israel is statistically better than almost all urban warfare, so your entire point really just doesn't matter.

"The only way you make sense is if every adult man is hamas which I am sure you might make perfect sense to you but the rest of us have a little more brains"

See the above, now imagine thinking you actually have any rational thought outside of repeating literal terrorist propaganda. You probably don't even know any of the history regarding the people now known as Palestinians.

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u/CarlSwagan_ Oct 01 '24

Israel has killed 42000 Palestinians since the conflict began in a country where over 50% of the population is under the age of 20. Get the fuck out of here.

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u/UniqueForbidden Oct 01 '24

Why are you using "42,000 Palestinians" instead of a proper militant to civilian ratio which is the only metric that actually fucking matters? You're attempting to use an appeal to emotion fallacy that doesn't even disprove what I said. It's a worthless metric compared to my statement. No one cares about your misunderstanding of warfare.

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u/CarlSwagan_ Oct 01 '24

Alright fine, in that exact article it says 56% of the dead are women and children. So 24000 women and children. Congratulations that sounds way better.

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u/UniqueForbidden Oct 01 '24

Oh, congratulations, you've proven the ratio is even better than what I stated, and Israel may actually beat the lowest civilian casualty rate of all full scale urban warfare in history. Thanks for proving my point for me that Israel has quite literally one of the lowest ratios in history. Keep on repeating that Hamas rhetoric though.

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u/Ryles5000 Oct 01 '24

If you don't even try to differentiate civilians and combatants when you spout numbers, you're just spreading purposeful misinformation and/or propaganda.

Don't start wars. Stop attacking Israel.

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u/Speedy059 Oct 01 '24

You sound like a dumb college protestor. Please take out more student loans and spend it protesting Israel, please.